He was never that.

As portrayed by Phoenix, Arthur Fleck is a deeply disturbed man who becomes the Joker almost reluctantly.

Arthur has become this symbol to people, Phillips explained.

Joaquin Phoenix in Joker 2

Thats always what hes been about, even though hes been pushed and pulled in all these directions.

So we tried to just make the most pure version of that.

And a love story.

Arthur grew up hearing his mother play these songs on the radio, Phillips explained.

Hes not a singer, and he shouldnt sound like a professional singer.

He should sound like somebody thats taking a shower and just bursts out into song.

However, Phillips also tried to distinguish the first Joker from the usual comic book movie fare.

WillJoker: Folie a Deuxindeed offer a radical different version of the Joker?

Or will it end up being another version of the familiar Clown Prince of Crime?

Phillips seems to already be confident in going a different way.

Joker: Folie a Deux puts on a happy face in theaters on Oct. 4, 2024.